We can’t meet a global health crisis, a climate crisis, an economic crisis or any future crisis as a divided nation. We’re not enemies. We’re a family with differences to work through. Polarization is our real enemy. Today on the podcast, Bill Shireman and Trammell S. Crow who have spent their lives and careers bringing sworn enemies to the table to find common ground and develop win-win solutions. Bill and Trammell launched a cross-partisan campaign and co-authored a book called IN THIS TOGETHER. We talk about the problems of amplified divisions in our political and civic life, the lack of respectful dialogue, thoughtful deliberation, evidence-based problem-solving—and what to do about it.