Talking numbers and the narrative with Michael Young of Actual Agency and Noah Miller of Calibrate Partners

In a special episode, host Michael Young, founder and CEO of Actual Agency, and Noah Miller, founder and CEO of Calibrate Partners, discuss changing expectations and heightened tension between corporations and stakeholders around ESG and sustainability. We discuss how ESG serves as a litmus test of leadership in 2022 and beyond, we highlight a few exemplars of corporate purpose, and examine what happens when there is a breakdown between the numbers and the narrative - including in the PR industry.